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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jokin,</p>
<blockquote><p>First of all, thanks for your answer and sorry for my very delayed answer. </p>
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No Problem!</p>
<blockquote><p>it is hard without knowing the meaning of some of the variables. Anyway, I think that I will be able to sort it out.</p>
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Okay, thats a point. I will explain the table header. Your work with the english version?</p>
<p><strong>Raw-Table (Observation)</strong><br />
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<pre><code>Instrument-ID = The point id of your Instrument
Target-ID = The observed point
ih = Instrument height (Default = 0)
th = Target height (Default = 0)
δz, t0, sh0, sr0, v0 = Observation (leveling, direction, distance 2D, distance 3D, zenithangle)
σ0 = a-priori standard deviation (override group-settings)</code></pre><p><strong>Result-Table (Observation)</strong><br />
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<pre><code>δz, t, sh, sr, v = estimated Observation (leveling, direction, distance 2D, distance 3D, zenithangle)
σ = a-posteriori standard deviation
r = redundance
∇ = estimated gross error
EP = (1-r)*∇ (I don't know the English phrase)
∇(α,β) = boundary value to detect an outlier (in Germany also called as GRZW)
Ω = sum of squares
Tprio/Tpost = test values for outliers detection with respect to the Fisher-distribution
Outlier = true, if Tprio or Tpost were rejected
</code></pre><p><strong>Result-Table (Points)</strong><br />
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<pre><code>(σ, ∇, etc. same as above)
...
A, B, C = semi-axis of the confidence-ellipsoid
α, β, γ = rotation angle of the confidence-ellipsoid
...
</code></pre><blockquote><p>I want to use the GAMA software to compute the network solutions. </p>
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For classic observation, GAMA produces the same results as JAG3D e.g. <a href="http://diegeodaeten.de/vergleich_ausgleichungssoftware.html">Vergleich der Ergebnisse verschiedener Netzausgleichungsprogramme</a>. Anyway, if it is possible to get your raw-data, I will re-calculate your network with JAG3D, too. If you can give me some more details to your deformation-task, I can answered more tightly focused.</p>
<p>If you want to email me, you can contact me <a href="http://derletztekick.com/impressum">here</a> (notice: every field is mandatory).</p>
<p>kind regards<br />
Micha</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 11:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MichaeL,</p>
<p>First of all, thanks for your answer and sorry for my very delayed answer. I am really tied up this semester.</p>
<p>Yes, the example you pointed me to is the one I am using as my testing. I want to reproduce all the results step by step and sometimes it is hard without knowing the meaning of some of the variables. Anyway, I think that I will be able to sort it out.</p>
<p>I want to use the GAMA software to compute the network solutions. I f you want me to, I will send you the solutions, but this will take sometime.</p>
<p>Again, thanks and congratulations for easing the so-cumbersome deformation modelling procedures.<br />
Jokin.</p>
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<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 10:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jokin,</p>
<blockquote><p>Is there any englids-written document where you describe how the JAG3D works internally? </p>
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No, I'm sorry but the JAG3D-GUI is translated into English.</p>
<blockquote><p>I am trying to go through the examples, but I am not able to identify all the outputs </p>
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You take a look at this <a href="http://diegeodaeten.de/deformationsanalyse.html">example</a>? At the end of this article, you will get the simulated data. Each file, with contains a <code>_1</code> is a part of the first epoch (null-epoch) and <code>_2</code> denotes the second one.</p>
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<li><strong>datumspunkte_2d.txt</strong> includes the (assumed) stable points<br />
</li><li><strong>eoche_1_neupunkte_2d.txt</strong> (<strong>eoche_2_neupunkte_2d.txt</strong>) contains the object points on the concrete dam. Notice, only the point-id differ between both epochs (e.g. 101 == 201). That means, these points are identical, but JAG3D required unique point-ids. <br />
</li><li>Take a look to the <strong>vektoren.txt</strong>. This file contains the relationship between the object points.<br />
</li><li>Files starting with <strong>r</strong> (like r1001_1.txt) are sets of directions. You have to import each set at its own group!<br />
</li><li><strong>strecken_1.txt</strong> and <strong>strecken_2.txt</strong> are the distance observations at epoch 1 and 2, respectively.</li></ul><p>Notice again, the point-ids at the observation-files, e.g. there are 201-210 instead of 101-110 at the strecken<strong>_2</strong>.txt file!</p>
<p>Checking the observations separately and carry out a freenet adjustment for each epoch.<br />
<strong>Epoch 1 - Imports:</strong><br />
datumspunkte.txt --&gt; Datum Point 2D<br />
eoche_1_neupunkte_2d.txt --&gt; New Point 2D<br />
r[0-9]_1.txt --&gt; Direction<br />
strecken_1.txt --&gt; Distance2D</p>
<p>and start an adjustment. Adapt the stochastic model, exclude outliers, ...</p>
<p>Make a new project and do the same for epoch 2.<br />
<strong>Epoch 2 - Imports:</strong><br />
datumspunkte.txt --&gt; Datum Point 2D<br />
eoche_2_neupunkte_2d.txt --&gt; New Point 2D<br />
r[0-9]_2.txt --&gt; Direction<br />
strecken_2.txt --&gt; Distance2D</p>
<p><a rel="thumbnail" href="http://diegeodaeten.de/gfx/deformationsanalyse_08_gruppeneinstellungen_deformationsanalyse.png"><img src="http://diegeodaeten.de/gfx/deformationsanalyse_08_gruppeneinstellungen_deformationsanalyse.png" class="thumbnail right" alt="[image]" /></a>Now, import all files in a projekt together and adapt your determined stochastic model. Allocate the observation groups (epoch 1 or epoch 2) and start the adjustment (see screenshot).</p>
<p>This is a briefly instruction, maybe you can give me more details of your current problems with JAG3D?</p>
<p>kind regards<br />
Micha</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MichaeL,</p>
<p>Thank you very much. I could imagine it, though.</p>
<p>I am trying to go through the examples, but I am not able to identify all the outputs (I am using the google translator, since german is not one of my strong points). Is there any englids-written document where you describe how the JAG3D works internally? I want to check out the deformation analysis, but it is getting really cumbersome.</p>
<p>Thanks again,<br />
Jokin</p>
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<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jokin,</p>
<blockquote><p>I am wondering if JAG3D is capable of checking deformations with only the coordinates of two different epochs including their variances.</p>
</blockquote><p><a href="http://derletztekick.com/software/netzausgleichung">JAG3D</a> needs the observations to carry out a deformation analysis. It doesn't use the so-called <em>coordinate method</em> where the coordinates of two different epochs and their covariances are included. </p>
<p>To derive deformations, include the observations of two epochs and allocate the observation groups. Define your (assumed) stable points ones and your object points twice, one for each epoch. Running a free adjustment and derive the coordinates and the possible deformation. JAG3D used the so-called <em>observation method</em> during a deformation analysis. </p>
<p>kind regards<br />
Micha</p>
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<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 11:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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